this is what happened at the tail end of the civil rights movement where clearly the law was established, the federal government had moved, the popular will had moved, but you saw states at the state level massive resistance. that was the policy, the official policy, of southern states against civil rights legislation that dragged it out for years, decades after, brown versus board of education, schools still weren't segregated because the states dug in their heels and said we're not going to implement this, do it in a haphazard fashion to create chaos and ogs po it. >> i would like to see concrete legislation happening. we know that in terms of -- >> from where? >> in congress, for example, there is the house passed stem legislation supposed to give visas to highly educated immigrants in the country but takes away money from less educated immy grants. that's not going to pass the senate. everybody needs to understand that bipartisan legislation that had bipartisan support needs to go through and still a lot more work to be done. because just doing the stem stuff is not going to be enoug